Education chief DeVos admits she doesn't know how MI schools are performing

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Teachers began tweeting photos of what their classrooms actually look like at the education secretary. "I don't know, I don't know", she said.

She was also confronted about the fact that she has not yet bothered to visit a failing public school in her home state of MI, to perhaps better understand the issues faced. When asked what could be done about it, she said it is about "empowering parents to make the choices from their kids" - as in, move them to other schools.

-In reference to the #MeToo movement, she said she experienced some moments decades ago that "today would just be viewed as unacceptable".

DeVos said alternatives drive public schools to perform better, but she had no answers when she was asked if school choice was successful in MI. She "stumbled in answering questions", was how the Washington Post gently put it. That all changed last night as she went on CBS's "60 Minutes".

"Well, we should be funding and investing in students, not in school - school buildings, not in institutions, not in systems", DeVos said. When pressed by Stahl about institutional racism and for more specifics on why she thinks the rule needs to be rolled back, DeVos twice repeated the "opportunity to learn" line. What about those kids? Facing questions about her school choice advocacy from Stahl, DeVos cited a Florida study that she claims shows that the voucher system does improve the public schools that children flee.

DeVos tried to dodge Stahl's question, saying, "Well, there [are] lots of great options and choices for students here in MI". We're in Michigan. This is your home state.

If nothing else DeVos has said that made sense, this administration is not lacking in tools - that's for sure.

"Have the public schools in MI gotten better?" she followed up.

DEVOS: I don't know.

"I don't know overall".

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DEVOS: Well, there are certainly lots of pockets where this, the students are doing well and.

"Maybe you should", Stahl suggested.

DeVos: I hesitate to talk about all schools in general because schools are made up of individual students attending them.

"The point is that schools should have this tool, if they choose to use the tool, community should have the tool, states should have the tool, but nobody should be mandated to do it."

DeVos, a former Republican Party chairwoman in MI, has been active in school reform efforts in the state for decades. There is no doubt about it.

Lesley Stahl: Have you seen the really bad schools?

"Do you think they should be able to, teachers, should be able to carry assault weapons since presumably they may face assault weapons?"

DeVos was a controversial cabinet pick for President Donald Trump, and advocates for increasing school choices rather than investing more in existing schools.

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